Many thanks for your post, and your interest in lichens.
It’s often difficult to identify a lichen from just one or two photos. I’d be willing to wager, though, that your lichen is either Flavoparmelia caperataF. soredians
The reproductive structures on your lichen are soredia, not isidia. Isidia have a cortex, so they don’t look as ‘powdery’ as soredia. The soredia of F. caperataF. soredians
It’s not really possible to be certain of which species you have from these photos. There are some differences, but the two species look quite alike. In the UK generally, F. sorediansF. caperataF. soredians
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Best regards,
Anthony
Thanks for your reply. I was about to send a follow-up to mine, as I saw that I may have misunderstood you in my excitement that another potential L. pulicaris
The epithecial granules in your first photo seem discernible at that magnification, which I assume is 100x or so. That suggests it may not be L. pulicarisL. pulicarisL. campestris
It doesn’t seem the most typical example of L. hybocarpa auct. br.L. chlarotera s. str
As for the calcium oxalate crystals — I haven’t seen them like that myself, but I suspect it’s possible for them to take that elongated form, if they’re deposited as the thalline margin grows. So far as I know, no distinction is made in the shape of the thalline margin crystals, but only their size (e.g. small for e.g. L. campestrisL. horizaL. pulicarisL. hybocarpa auct. br.
Sorry I can’t be more definitive! Maybe someone else has some insight.
Best regards,
Anthony
Many thanks for sharing this LecanoraLecanora
If you haven’t done so already, I’d recommend testing with Pd to determine whether you have the usual form of L. pulicaris
You may well do, as L. pulicarisL. hybocarpa auct. br.L. pulicarisL. pulicaris
However, research in mainland Europe (Malicek, 2014) has shown that approximately 15% of L. pulicaris
In the meanwhile — and assuming you don’t have the usual Pd+ red L. pulicarisLecanora sp.
As for your crystals in K, though — it seems from your photos that you’re referring to the calcium oxalate crystals in the thalline margin? These crystals don’t dissolve in K, whereas the epithecial granules do.
The LecanoraLecanoraL. hybocarpa auct. br.https://www.fungi.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4225https://www.fungi.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=4225
Best regards,
Anthony
Lecanora hybocarpa auct. br.L. hybocarpa
Grateful for the pointer to the entry in LGBI2 for L. hybocarpa
It’s amazing to learn that our current concept of L. chlarotera s. str.L. sinuosaL. hybocarpa auct. br.
Thanks again for your interest in my posts above. I hope to add soon those promised further posts about the development of what you call the ‘expansive field concept’ of L. chlarotera
That said, not even for Brodo is the placement of epithecial granules definitive — i.e.Lecanora chlaroteraL. hybocarpa auct. br.
Your findings about the calcium oxalate crystals of L. chlarotera
But the small granules ‘inspersing’ the epithecium of Lecanora chlarotera aren’t composed of calcium oxalate. They dissolve in K, whereas calcium oxalate doesn’t. The compound is ‘chlarotera
My posts above refer to the size and placement of these small crystalline granules in the epithecium, not the large calcium oxalate crystals in the amphithecium. Lucie Kohler (1956) concluded that size of epithecial granules, not placement, was diagnostic. But Magnusson (1932), Poelt (1952) and Brodo (1984) concluded otherwise.
Lecanora chlaroteraLecanora subfuscaL. chlarotera
In this post, I’ll argue not only that Hue was confused about Nylander, but also that Nylander might have anticipated one important element of the subfuscasubfusca
I also intend for this post to serve as background for future posts investigating in detail how the British concept of L. chlaroterasubfuscaL. hybocarpa auct. br.
For now, let’s turn back to Hue’s confusion about Nylander and epithecial granules. Hue certainly knew that epithecial granules could be seen in some subfusca
Often, it [the epithecium] is bare. Sometimes it is full of small granules of a dark yellow, and then the epithecium is called ‘granular’ — epithecium granulosum
Yet as we’ve said, and as Kolher noted, Hue thought that the epithecial granules were not reliable characters for species identification. What’s more, he specifically criticised Nylander for relying upon them to separate some subfusca
In 1867, in Triana and Planchon, Prodr. Flor. Nov. Granat.chlaronaL. subfuscaObserv. lichenol. Pyren.-Orient.FloraL. chlaroteraL. subfusca var.chlaronai.e.viz. L. subfusca var. chlarona
But Hue was in error. Nylander did not in fact distinguish between a granular epithecium for L. subfusca var. chlaronaL. chlarotera
Remarkably, in according such importance to both the presence and the placement of epithecial granules, Nylander was anticipating today’s Magnusson/Poelt/Brodo scheme. For this reason alone, it’s worth examining in detail what Nylander actually wrote, beginning with the description of L. subfusca var. chlarona
Var. chlaronaLich. U.l. c.Lich. Scandinav.
Note that Nylander carefully distinguishes between the paraphyses and the epithecium: he uses the latter term to refer only to the surface of the apothecium, i.e. the surface formed by the tips of the paraphyses. Moreover, Nylander says that it’s the paraphyses themselves that are inspersed with granules, albiet at their tips: ‘paraphyses graciles apice (epithecio) granulis lutescentibus inspersaeépithécium granulé
Further evidence that Nylander intended a more subtle distinction between granular epithecium and granular paraphyses comes from his descriptions of L. chlaroterachlaronaL. chlaroteraFloraL. chlarotera
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The only way to make consistent sense of these three descriptions is to understand Nylander to mean that the two lichens differ not in having epithecial granules — since they both do — but in the placement of the granules. Unlike in the chlaronaL. chlaroteraparaphyses non inspersaeepithecium inspersum
But doesn’t this conclusion amount to absolving Nylander of an error while simultaneously attributing one to Hue? Even so, they cannot both be correct, especially considering that Hue claimed to have examined two specimens that Nylander determined as L. chlaroteraL. chlaroteraepithecium inspersum
Ultimately, the balance of evidence appears to me to favour Nylander over Hue — not only the evidence above, but also the following evidence:
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chlaronaL. subfuscaL. pulicarissubfusca
I’d like to add yet a further piece of evidence, which would conclusively decide the case: an examination of the Canary Islands L. chlaroteraepithecium inspersumépithécium non granulé
Be that as it may, Hue’s own subfusca
And as I discussed in that post, Neil Sanderson’s 2019 discovery of L. hybocarpa auct. br.
In future posts, I’ll turn back to that point, trying to shed some light on it by investigating how the British concept of L. chlarotera
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L. sinuosaL. sinuosa
So is it L. hybocarpa auct. br.LecanoraL. sinuosaL. hybocarpa auct. br.L. hybocarpa auct. br.
LGBI3 also suggests that L. hybocarpa auct. br.L. sinuosa
Here’s the link to van Herk and Aptroot’s 1999 article containing their protologue for L. sinuosa
L. hybocarpa auct. br.
The only other British lichens with the same pattern of epithecial granules atop and descending between the paraphyses are L. pulicarisL. sinuosaL. hybocarpa auct. br.
You probably know that L. pulicarisL. sinuosaL. sinuosa
You could always see if your lichen is Pd- just to rule out L. pulicarisL. pulicaris
C. furcata
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I certainly agree we must certainly interpret any new colour spot-test reactions carefully — though given North American practice, K+ brown for fumarprotocetraric acid isn’t really a new spot-test. And in this case it seems hard not to conclude that my Scottish C. furcata
Cladonia furcataC. furcata
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An interesting note: where Pd overlapped K, the brown reaction became yellow. I wonder what Pd+ yellow compound results from the decomposition of fumarprotocetraric acid in K?
Another interesting note: a Google search on the K+ brown reaction for fumarprotocetraric acid turned up this 1935 article by American lichenologist RH Torrey entitled ‘Paraphenylenediamine: A new colour test for lichens’: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40597010https://www.jstor.org/stable/40597010
It appears from Torrey’s article that, until Pd came along, some lichenologists relied on the K+ brown reaction for fumarprotocetraric acid to help separate CladoniaCladonia
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Torrey suggests that the K+ brown reaction is also detailed in what he calls Annie Lorrain Smith’s ‘Manual of British Lichens’. That’s not a title of Smith’s of which I’m aware. So far as I know, Smith published a field guide entitled A Handbook of the British LichensA Monograph of the British LichensLichens
In none of those works by Smith could I find any reference to K+ brown for fumarprotocetraric acid. She mentions only K+ yellow for atranorin in her descriptions of CladoniaKryptogammenflora für Anfänger, Band 3: Die Flechten
That isn’t to say the K+ brown reaction isn’t found in any British work: it’s mentioned in in Orange, Smith & James’s 2010 monograph Microchemical MethodsUsnea antarcticahttps://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/33451352.pdfhttps://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/33451352.pdfU. antarctica
But anyway: assuming that there isn’t a ‘Manual of British Lichens’ by Annie Lorrain Smith of which I’m unaware, the K+ brown reaction for fumarprotocetraric acid on which Torrey and other (presumably mainly North American) lichenologists relied doesn’t seem to have been much used by British lichenologists before being obviated by the more effective Pd+ red.
Gerrault
How yellow is the reaction? I looks quite brownish to me. Potentially the K+ brownish reaction to fumarprotocetraric acid; this is often weak and is clearest when there is a lot of fumarprotocetraric acid in the lichen. As it is inconsistent it tends not to be mentioned in descriptions, although American Cladonia
Neil
Apropos of Neil’s comment above about a K+ brownish reaction to fumarprotocetraric acid, I believe I may have observed it on a Cladonia furcata
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Acremonium sp
I’ve emailed Brian, and copied you, bringing some further micrographs to his attention. These micrographs relate to the Norfolk specimens that I found, one of which fairly clearly seemed to be our hyphomycete LF, and the other of which may or may not be. Perhaps the additional evidence will help with identifying the LF — and at the very least, Brian may discount it as relating to a different LF, which would be equally valuable.
I sent him the micrographs by way of a link to the presentation about this LF that I recently gave to the BLS Lichen Chat and Improvement Group. Having published that link on Twitter some time ago, it occurred to me that I should just as well have done so here! —
T. delicata
It’s also good to know about the record on L. hybocarpaet alL. cf chlaroteraL. hybocarpa
As for T. pertusariicolaT. delicata
You can read more about P. tenella on the British Lichen Society website at
P. tenella tends normally to reproduce asexually or ‘vegetatively’, through powdery grains called ‘soredia’, which contain cells from both the fungus and the alga that make up the symbiotic organism. These soredia develop in masses called ‘soralia’, which on P. tenella tend to form on the tips of the lobes shown in your photo. They disperse in wind and rain to colonise other surfaces and become full lichen bodies or ‘thalli’.
One must be careful to distinguish between P. tenella and the look-alike P. adscendens. They’re best told apart by the shape of their lobe tips and their soralia. The lobe tips of P. adscendens tend to be closed and ‘hooded’ rather than open and ‘fingery’, and the soralia develop in the ‘hoods’ rather than on the tips of the ‘fingers’.
Your dark ‘claws’ are called ‘cilia’, which are hair-like structures or outgrowths of the thallus. P. adscendens has them as well, as do some other lichens. Their purpose isn’t entirely clear — they don’t help with attachment to the substrate, as similar outgrowths on the underside called ‘rhizines’ do. Perhaps they help with the condensation of moisture, as lichens take their water from the air or from rain. Perhaps they have some other purpose as well.
By the way — the whitish spots on the lobes of your lichen are called ‘pseudocyphellae’. They represent a thinning of the lichen’s surface layer or ‘cortex’, which helps to facilitate gas exchange. The alga inside the fungus body draws in carbon dioxide to photosynthesise sugars for itself and for the fungus, and oxygen must be released.
If you could post a photo showing a bit more of the lichen, it might be possible to confirm that you have P. tenella. That said, immature thalli of P. tenella and P. adscendens, which haven’t yet developed soralia, are generally indistinguishable.
