I wondered if anybody could shed some light on the appearance of these crystals in what I thought was a straightforward Lecanora hybocarpa growing on a wooden bench. The thallus was thin and the apothecia looked particularly neat with very smooth thalline margins. The lichen tested K+ yellow as I expected for L. hybocarpa. I took a few apothecia to section as I’ve been practising my sectioning skills. What I found under the microscope was not what I expected. Photos below show a section in water under polarising light – crystals on the epithecium surface showing really well penetrating downwards, something that I’ve not seen so well before. However there are no large chunky crystals, instead there are needle-shaped crystals. These show as just a very bright area when mounted in water. When mounted in KOH, the epithecial crystals dissolve, as expected, and the needle-like crystals can be seen much more clearly. I managed to get a photo at x400 of the crystals.
All my other sections of L hybocarpa, L argentata and L campestris have all shown the correct position and size of crystals. So what I’m asking really is, is this just natural variation between L hypocarpa, or perhaps due to treatment of the bench with some chemical. Growing above this L hybocarpa was a very strange-looking Lecanora campestris, which I’ve also looked at under the microscope, but it looked fine for L campestris, despite having quite an odd macro appearance.
Thank you
Sylvia
Many thanks for sharing this LecanoraLecanora
If you haven’t done so already, I’d recommend testing with Pd to determine whether you have the usual form of L. pulicaris
You may well do, as L. pulicarisL. hybocarpa auct. br.L. pulicarisL. pulicaris
However, research in mainland Europe (Malicek, 2014) has shown that approximately 15% of L. pulicaris
In the meanwhile — and assuming you don’t have the usual Pd+ red L. pulicarisLecanora sp.
As for your crystals in K, though — it seems from your photos that you’re referring to the calcium oxalate crystals in the thalline margin? These crystals don’t dissolve in K, whereas the epithecial granules do.
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Best regards,
Anthony
Sylvia
Thanks for your reply. I was about to send a follow-up to mine, as I saw that I may have misunderstood you in my excitement that another potential L. pulicaris
The epithecial granules in your first photo seem discernible at that magnification, which I assume is 100x or so. That suggests it may not be L. pulicarisL. pulicarisL. campestris
It doesn’t seem the most typical example of L. hybocarpa auct. br.L. chlarotera s. str
As for the calcium oxalate crystals — I haven’t seen them like that myself, but I suspect it’s possible for them to take that elongated form, if they’re deposited as the thalline margin grows. So far as I know, no distinction is made in the shape of the thalline margin crystals, but only their size (e.g. small for e.g. L. campestrisL. horizaL. pulicarisL. hybocarpa auct. br.
Sorry I can’t be more definitive! Maybe someone else has some insight.
Best regards,
Anthony
Thanks once again
Sylvia
