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  • in reply to: Stumped, or sleepered #42042
    Neil Sanderson
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      Chris

      Yes on I am wrong on the Buellia ocellata, suggestion. The C + yellow reaction should narrow things down, these are not common. However, I can not think what it is but does not match any typically lignicolous species I know, so I suspected it may be a mainly saxicolous species; I know these less well.

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      in reply to: Stumped, or sleepered #42039
      Neil Sanderson
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        Chris

        The yellowish thallus and black apothecia looks like Buellia ocellata, the C + reaction (but ideally should be orange rather than yellow), the colour of the apothecia cross section matches and your stained spores are clearly one septate (when you looked at the spores in water they looked simple, but most spores need clearing in at least K to be sure what is going on inside, and nitric acid or staining may be necessary in some difficult spores). The spores look under developed and pale for Buellia ocellata, but I am fairly sure that is what this it. Old hard and treated timber can support some normally saxicolous species, which leads to confusion in keys that use the normal habitat of lichens as early splits. Buellia ocellata has occasionally been found on worked timber see http://www.dorsetnature.co.uk/pages-lichen/lch-233.html ” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.dorsetnature.co.uk/pages-lichen/lch-233.html

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        in reply to: Lecanora hybocarpa an overlooked lichen #41977
        Neil Sanderson
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          More on Lecanora hybocarpa.

          I recently collected a recently dead Aspen branch from Ashurst Wood on the open New Forest and went through it at leisure. This added Caloplaca cerinella, with c 16 spores in the asci, probably common in the wider countryside but new to the open Forest.

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          Caloplaca cerinella on dead Aspen branch

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          Caloplaca cerinella apothecia squash showing asci with more than 8 spores.

          The main interest, however, was that all the Lecanora on the branch looked at had Lecanora hybocarpa type apothecia with a Lecanora pulicaris type distribution of crystals in the both epithecium and into the upper part of the hymenium, but with a Pd – thalline margins. The forms were varied, however, some with very large crystals in the thalline margin, giving very rough margins

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          Lecanora hybocarpa on Aspen branch with rough thalline margins. These rough margins are quite frequent on Lecanora species on Aspen for some reason.

          Others had the thallus covered in apothecia initials, giving Lecanora sinuosa, which may just be a morph of Lecanora hybocarpa.

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          Lecanora sinuosa on Aspen branch, with thallus covered by apothecia initials

          As well as this I have recently being doing some planning work in ordinary south Hampshire countryside outside of the New Forest. This has given me the opportunity to sample lots of Lecanora species from twigs and hedgerow trees. Interestingly Lecanora hybocarpa proved to be widespread on the twigs, commoner than Lecanora chlarotera, which was also present. Also seen were quite a collection of Lecanora species on bark and wood: Lecanora argentata, Lecanora sinuosa, Lecanora horiza, Lecanora albella, Lecanora carpinea, Lecanora barkmaniana, Lecanora pulicaris, Lecanora conizaeoides f. conizaeoides, Lecanora symmicta, Lecanora expallens and Lecanora compallens. The latter was found fertile on some dead wood. This has only recently been found fertile, so I will put up some pictures when I have looked at it fully. There are at least two distinct morphs of Lecanora chlarotera as well: a form with pale disks and an off white thallus and smaller spores (every where, including trunks) and one with chestnut disks, a white thallus and some what larger spores (mainly branches, where it looks like Lecanora argentata, which occurs more on trunks but can occur on branches). The latter could potential be another cryptic species but this would need DNA sequencing to ascertain (Pictured with Lecanora hybocarpa, on an Oak twig, Matley Wood, New Forest in my first post).

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          Lecanora hybocarpa from Oak twig in hedgerow in farmland, the faintly pruinose disk is a good lead for likely Lecanora hybocarpa specimens.

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          Lecanora hybocarpa from Oak twig apothecia cross section in water in normal light

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          Lecanora hybocarpa from Oak twig apothecia cross section in water in polarised light

          Finally I am just back from a job in North Wales, where I also did some Lecanora species sampling. Only Lecanora chlarotera and Lecanora argentata here, so it may be that Lecanora hybocarpa is a southern and eastern species in Britain.

          in reply to: Schismatomma graphidioides #41999
          Neil Sanderson
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            I found another Schismatomma graphidioides colony on a young suppressed Beech in Ferny Crofts, New Forest this Wednesday, after rain. The wet apothecia showed the slightly raised paler thaline margin much more clearly than in dry material:

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            Wet Schismatomma graphidioides, with the thallide margins of the apothecia clearly visible

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            in reply to: Cliostomum, sac fungi or other #42013
            Neil Sanderson
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              Paul

              Does not look much like Cliostomum griffithii, and does not ring any bells, I suspect it is not a lichenised fungus

              Neil

              in reply to: Lichenicolous on Ochrolechia parella #41973
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                Jenny

                Black staining on an Ochrolechia might be Phaeosporobolus alpinus?, but without a surviving specimen impossible to say.

                Neil

                in reply to: Help! #41879
                Neil Sanderson
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                  Nick

                  Not sure I can say much about this, not sure it is a lichen at all, conceivably it is a Peltigera, but it sort of looks more like a non-lichenised fungus. In this case a habitat picture showing the whole organism would have helped.

                  If it was a Peltigera, then a picture habitat showing the whole thallus, a close up of the upperside and one of the underside is the minimum (the latter is essential but often not done). Do put up pictures of any queries you have but a variety of angles and degrees of close up will help.

                  All the best

                  Neil

                  in reply to: Porpidia? #41872
                  Neil Sanderson
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                    Chris

                    The new K/UV test would help as P. cinereoatra has confluentic acid and P. contraponenda does not. Just put some K on the thallus and shine a UV lamp at it. P. cinereoatra will produce a bright mauve fluorescence. You can test this on Enterographa zonata (Opegrapha zonata)

                    Neil

                    in reply to: Parmotrema on hazel #41862
                    Neil Sanderson
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                      Paul

                      I have got some odd glows from Parmotrema perlatum, so the KC + pink medulla would clinch it.

                      Neil

                      in reply to: Lichenised Fungus #41841
                      Neil Sanderson
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                        Bob

                        This is a Ramalina, with a strappy thallus, which is the same colour on both sides. The thallus is clearly hollow from breaks in the cortex in the upper picture. It is fertile (the cups) and there is no sign of soredia, so that gets us to Ramalina fastigiata. This is the second commonest Ramalina after the sorediate Ramalina farinacea.

                        All the best

                        Neil

                        in reply to: Athallia (Caloplaca) pyracea? #41835
                        Neil Sanderson
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                          Juliet

                          Looks fine to me for Caloplaca pyracea, although I have not seen it much. Mark knows it much better.

                          I have attached a photo of a specimen from a White Poplar, collected in 2011, from North Hampshire

                          Neil

                          in reply to: Phylloblastia #41827
                          Neil Sanderson
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                            Fay

                            I woundered if it was the same tree! I got the same taxa. I am putting it in as Phylloblastia bielczykiae, as this is not in the dictionary you need to paste it into the species column. It is useful to put in any “known unknowns” under a name like “Roselliniella sp A” (a distinctive parasite of Pertusaria pertusa found on old Beech mainly) and add a brief description in the notes, if finally sorted out the temporary name can be replace with the correct one in the database.

                            Neil

                            in reply to: Phylloblastia #41825
                            Neil Sanderson
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                              Fay

                              Well done. Phylloblastia fortuita has at most submuriform spores with 0–2 longitudinal septa, for which Alan Orange’s British and Other Pyrenocarpous Lichens https://museum.wales/media/13849/Orange-A-2013-British-and-other-pyrenocarpous-lichens.pdf” class=”bbcode_url”>https://museum.wales/media/13849/Orange-A-2013-British-and-other-pyrenocarpous-lichens.pdf gives the measuremants (16–)20–39(–42) × (4–)5–9(– 10.9) μm, 5–7-septate with 0–2 longitudinal sept. What you have is fully muriform and looks like what I call Phylloblastia cf bielczykiae but Paul has as sp MP4506. This has larger more muriform spores: my measurements 27 – 55 (60) x 8 – 13µm with 7 to 9 traverse septa with 4 to 6 longitudinal septa. So far Phylloblastia cf bielczykiae seems more southern thant the others, I have not heard of it north of Epping Forest (Mark is this still true?) and I have had it as far west as east Dorset. Some pictures attached.

                              Neil

                              in reply to: Opegrapha atra #41819
                              Neil Sanderson
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                                Chris

                                I have this paper on my computer and can send. Looking at the paper, it looks like Damien Ertz sequenced Taeniolella on Opegrapha/Arthonia atra from Belgium and confirmed it was Taeniolella punctata. If your material is Taeniolella punctata it is very young, as mature material forms black tufts on the thallus, but I have great difficulty understanding Taeniolella, even with Damien’s great papers

                                Neil

                                in reply to: Opegrapha atra #41812
                                Neil Sanderson
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                                  Well Opegrapha atra is bizarrely actually Arthonia atra, and not just that but in the core group of Arthonia s. str. with, if I remember correctly, Arthonia radiata! Sometimes the parasites better reflect the natural classification than the old splits: Arthonia graphidicola now only parasitises one genus (Graphis) not two (Graphis & Graphina). In this case nothing obvious however.

                                  If anyone does see a Taeniolella like parasite on Arthonia atra, then do shout out, Damien Ertz was looking for samples. (May just be Taeniolella punctata as found on Graphis scripta and Pertusaria leioplaca or might be another species.)

                                  Neil

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