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  • #29471
    Lancashire Lad
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      Hi all,

      Unfortunately no microscopy pics. – My Minicam seems to have (hopefully temporarily) become a “device not recognised” by the software. 🙄

      Found on Saturday, growing on live leaves of Aegopodium vulgare – Ground Elder.

      Pale yellow patches on upper surface, with corresponding grey downy patches on underside of leaves.

      Under microscope, the downy patches consist of masses of sporangiophores and sporangia.

      Sporangia more or less globose, averaging 22µ diameter.

      Shape and appearance of sporangiophores and sporangia closely matches the photos here on this Bioimages webpage: –

      http://www.bioimages.org.uk/html/r150073.htm” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.bioimages.org.uk/html/r150073.htm

      I’m reasonably confident that my find is the same Downy Mildew – Plasmopara crustosa, but would be grateful for confirmation/other, in case there may be any other mildew species that would attack A. vulgare. (I haven’t found any by web-searching).

      Regards,

      Mike.

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      My Minicam seems to have (hopefully temporarily) become a “device not recognised” by the software

      Hi Mike, apologies for going slightly off-topic but was your Minicam from Brunel as I got one from them a couple months and have pretty much given up with it because of the same problem?

      #34970

      Hi Mike

      There has been a lot of work on downy mildews recently, and the narrower species concepts of people like Gaümann in the past are in some cases being resurrected. As far as I know the DM on Aegopodium – “Plasmopara aegopodii (Casp.) Trotter” is still Plasmopara crustosa = Plasmopara nivea (Unger) J. Schröt. in current usage.

      The DM on Anthriscus sylvestris is now considered to be a separable taxon and called Plasmopara chaerophylli (Casp.) Trotter.

      Index Fungorum (or strictly Species Fungorum – green rather than grey pages, a subtle but very important distinction) is somewhat behind the eight ball on these and other updates.

      cheers

      Chris

      PS 💡 get a 10MP Tucsen ;)

      #34971
      adampembs
      Keymaster

        Maybe I’m blaspheming here, to a photographer 😆 but you could just stick a camera on the end of your scope and take a snap!

        #34972
        Lancashire Lad
        Keymaster

          adampembs wrote:

          Maybe I’m blaspheming here, to a photographer 😆 but you could just stick a camera on the end of your scope and take a snap!

          Wash your mouth out with soap! 😯 ;) :D

          Yes I know. If I’d been thinking straight, I should have took some snaps with my D80 and the dslr/scope adapter I’d bought – but my mind’s been elsewhere recently. :(

          JennyS wrote:

          Hi Mike, apologies for going slightly off-topic but was your Minicam from Brunel as I got one from them a couple months and have pretty much given up with it because of the same problem?

          Hi jenny.

          Yes I did get it from Brunel, a few years ago. I think the model has since changed though, as the last time I looked, the reference number was different. Anyway, as it happens, it was not the camera that was at fault. – it was me! 😳 I’d been tidying up the workstation, and had plugged the camera’s usb lead into a different port. When I went to “select device” in the Micam software that I use, and clicked on the “registered” 5MP Minicam, it couldn’t find the camera.

          I realised what had happened early this evening – re-plugged the usb lead into the original port and the Minicam was recognised straight away.

          I’ll now have to find the instructions though, since I don’t recall how I registered the Minicam with the Micam software in the first place, and I might need to do so again if I move it to another laptop. (The Minicam was originally supplied with “Scopetek” software, but I’ve been using “Micam” software ever since I discovered it, as I find it better). If you are using Scopetek, perhaps it might be worth trying Micam? – you can download the programme here (It is fully working freeware. My version is 1.4, but I note that the latest version is now 1.6): –

          http://science4all.nl/?Microscopy_and_Photography___MICAM” class=”bbcode_url”>http://science4all.nl/?Microscopy_and_Photography___MICAM

          Chris Yeates wrote:

          Hi Mike

          There has been a lot of work on downy mildews recently, and the narrower species concepts of people like Gaümann in the past are in some cases being resurrected. As far as I know the DM on Aegopodium – “Plasmopara aegopodii (Casp.) Trotter” is still Plasmopara crustosa = Plasmopara nivea (Unger) J. Schröt. in current usage.

          The DM on Anthriscus sylvestris is now considered to be a separable taxon and called Plasmopara chaerophylli (Casp.) Trotter.

          Index Fungorum (or strictly Species Fungorum – green rather than grey pages, a subtle but very important distinction) is somewhat behind the eight ball on these and other updates.

          cheers

          Chris

          PS 💡 get a 10MP Tucsen ;)


          Thanks Chris.

          I got to P.nivea on Aegopodium vulgare, from Ellis & Ellis, but noted that the current name (according to FRDBI) was P.crustosa.

          I’m between the devil and the deep blue sea regards scope photography at the minute. I’ve got a good dslr camera adapter that fits my microscope but my trusty and somewhat ancient (by dslr standards) Nikon D80 doesn’t have full mirror lock up or live view, which compromises the quality of images I can get.

          So it’s either buy a DSLR body with live view and mirror lock to use specifically with the microscope, or buy a Tucsen 10MP.

          I’m not satisfied with the resolution of the 5MP Minicam, so eventually I’ll have to take the plunge one way or the other. – Decisions, decisions!

          PS: Any thoughts on this Dandelion rust?

          http://www.fungi.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=177

          Regards,

          Mike.

          #34973
          Lancashire Lad
          Keymaster

            The Plasmopara crustosa mildew was still in evidence on the Ground Elder at the weekend, so I took the opportunity to collect samples and try for a few photos: –

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            Regards,

            Mike.

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