Phaeophyscia sciastra?

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    Poole Harbour, Dorset.

    Tentatively thinking this is Phaeophyscia sciastra on an exposed, seagull-enriched houseboat roof covered with mineral roofing felt. Lobes turning green when wet, underside black, medulla white and and there seem to be isidia rather than soredia present.

    Or is it just a dark form of Phaeophyscia orbicularis?

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    #46113

    Phaeophyscia nigricans ?

    AG

    #46114

    Thanks for the suggestion but the underside of the lobes and the rhizines are black which would rule out Phaephyscia nigricans which has

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    “underside whitish, pinkish or pale brown-white, with sparse, generally pale rhizines”

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    #46115

    For what it’s worth, I have collected several specimens similar to yours from exposed faces of roadside trees and concrete in Denmark, in the hope that they might be P. sciastra and so far I have concluded that they are all forms of P. orbicularis. In more well developed specimens, it is usually possible to see orbicularis-like circular soralia with quite granular soredia, that eventually develop cortex and appear isidia-like. It is my understanding that the isidia in P. sciastra are mainly marginal, so the presence of the “isidia” in circular laminal/submarginal patches might be a way to rule out P. sciastra. I am not an expert in the genus, but I have looked at hundreds of thalli in the past year, trying to come to terms with the bewildering variability of P. orbicularis. I was lucky to have a few of my collections sequenced, one small-lobed morph with terminal capitate soralia and one with long marginal soralia and marginal rhizines, but so far everything has been orbicularis! :)

    #46116

    Thanks Jonas – yes I think (finally!) it must just be P. orbicularis

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