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    This one is causing me all kinds of problems. It was found in April in western jutland, Denmark, growing on the bark of an old Pinus sylvestris. I thought both morphology and ecology was good for Lecanora cadubriae, but the chemistry doesn’t agree. The specimen is K+ yellow turning at most slightly orange (K/UV+ bright yellow), P- or P+ slightly yellowish (P/UV+ orangeish yellow) and C-. The spores measure around 13-15 x 5-6 µm and the ascus type looks to me like the bacidia-type, but judging the biatora/lecanora/bacidia-types is not straight forward for me. Furthermore some of the blue color went into solution when doing the K/I “stain” which might be of diagnostic importance?

    There seems to be both epithecial and excipular crystals which are all soluble in K.

    I have included a bunch of photos, hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

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    #44790

    Here’s a photo of the K/UV-reactions

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    #44791

    My guess would be something in Ramalinaceae. Perhaps a Biatora, but no idea which one.

    #44792
    Mark Powell
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      Your enquiry prompted me to re-examine a specimen which I had, somewhat tentatively, identified as Lecidea exigua. There are many similarities between my material and yours but perhaps not an exact match. I am not providing a definite determination (I am hesitant even about naming my own material) but, in the absence of suggestions from others, perhaps my observations will provide another line of investigation.

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      My specimen (above) is from the smooth bark of an apple tree in a Kent orchard. It has apothecia (250-)300-350 microns in diameter. The disc has a slight pruina due to coarse epithecial granules. The thallus is indistinctly warted, sits on a slight black prothallus (visible where the thallus is thin) and forms conspicuous black lines where it meets neighbouring lichen thalli. The thallus shows a patchy UV+ orange fluorescence, it is K+ yellow (yellow turning slightly orange as in yours). It is K/UV+ yellow (perhaps slight green hint). I suspect this K/UV+ yellow is indicating the presence of a xanthone (rather than atranorin). It is C- but I think the K reaction is slightly deepened more orange when C is applied to the spot (i.e. probably KC+ orange).

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      Above are three sections in water and one in K. The coarse epithecial granules dissolve in K. My specimen had rather inconspicuous small crystals in the exciple, mainly towards inner parts, soluble or mainly soluble in K. The ascospores look a bit fatter than in your material (typically e.g. 11 x 5.5) but similar dimensions.

      I was particularly interested to see what the ascus tips were like in my specimen. The afl website states that L. exigua has a Lecidea-type ascus but this is not illustrated and may be an assumption (the same page states that Lecidella elaeochroma has a Lecanora-type ascus which is incorrect, an error also in LGBI2, L. elaeochroma having a Lecidella-type which is more like a Bacidia- or Biatora-type).

      https://www.afl-lichenologie.fr/Photos_AFL/Photos_AFL_L/Lecidea_exigua.htm

      The asci of my material have similar ascus tips to your material, and rather similar to those in Lecidella as shown below.

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      I’m sorry that I can’t give any definite identification but I was struck by some of the similarities between your material and my specimen which I have tentatively concluded must be L. exigua. L. exigua is supposed to grow mainly on smooth bark of deciduous trees but there may be overlap of species on deciduous trees and the smooth bark plates of old conifers. I am not even certain that our material is the same taxon but seems to be the ‘same sort of thing’. Perhaps there is more than one taxon that has been named as L. exigua (it seems to be a rather poorly understood lichen with only scanty published descriptions).

      #44793

      Thank you for your replies, Alan and Mark.

      I have been/still am busy with field work, but tonight I had some time to follow up on your input.

      I am not much closer to an ID, but your suggestions prompted me to do some more testing/staining that might help.

      First of all, some apothecia have a bluish pigment in the excipulum (consistent with the Lecidea-hypothesis?):

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      The brown epithecial pigment reacts N+ red and the crystals are not soluble in N:

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      #44794

      I made an k/ink/vinegar-stain and found that while some paraphyses were simple, branching and anastomosis was common:

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      And much to my surprise, some spores appeared one-septate (I found three out of ~50 spores like this):

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      Lastly a picture of the excipular hyphae:

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      The thallus might have an extremely faint UV+ orange reaction (only barely visible with powerful torch in pitch black room, xanthone?), but it is too weak to capture on a photograph.

      I have tried keying it as a Lecidea without much luck – it shares some characteristica with L. hypopta, but it is not a perfect fit. I cannot rule out L. exigua, but the paraphyses do not appear capitate above which causes some hesitation.

      The Revision of British and Irish Lichens vol .11 (Ramalinaceae) points me in the direction of Biatora, but it does not key out to anything meaningful.

      I hope these new pictures might shed some light on the true identity of my specimen.

      #44795
      Neil Sanderson
      Senior Moderator

        Just a thought, prompted from editing the LGBI Lecanoraceae volume (out soonish), how about Palicella filamentosa see pictures https://dalib.cz/en/taxon/info/Palicella%20filamentosa” class=”bbcode_url”>https://dalib.cz/en/taxon/info/Palicella%20filamentosa. Quite a bit of your description matches. If the K/UV + bright yellow is strongest once dried, then, with the K+ yellow and faint Pd+ yellow reaction this has atranorin, which fits, as do a lot of other features. Screen shot of draft description:

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        #44796

        Thank you Neil for the reply!

        I am convinced that you are right – the fit is very good. I am glad to put this troublesome specimen to rest! :)

        All the best,

        Jonas

        #44797
        Neil Sanderson
        Senior Moderator

          Jonas

          Glad to have helped

          Now we need to refind it in Britain!

          Neil

          #44798

          If it helps, I can add that the species was quite abundant on the east-facing surfaces of old Pinus sylvestris standing at the edge of a forest and thus exposed – about a kilometer from the nearest coast. Good luck on the search! :)

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