Porpidia macrocarpa f. nigrocruenta?

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    chriscant
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      One for Alan please…

      This looks like Porpidia macrocarpa f. nigrocruenta with large apothecia and K+ red in the exciple section.

      Taken yesterday on the Cumbria Lichen and Bryophyte Group trip to Scordale on the edge of the Pennines, which has lots of lead mine spoil but this specimen may not have been in this area.

      The thallus is thickish and areolate which seems OK for P macrocarpa s. lat. but not s. str. in LGBI though I haven’t seen a full description of s. str..

      The thallus medulla is I-, K- and P-.

      There are small apothecia with thick margins up to 0.2mm, The biggest apothecia are around 4mm across with contorted margins of the same size.

      The spores are in the range 19-24 x 10um, simple usually with a large oil bubble.

      The exciple has a dark outside edge and more hyaline brown in its medulla and inner edge.

      The hyaline brown area goes red in K.

      I think the exciple does not have thinner/filamentous hyphae, though I always find these hard to see.

      Would you agree? Chris

      #46962

      Looks OK to me Chris. I now recognize this taxon at the species level. It would be good to get sequence data from this specimen if Becky is agreeable…

      #46963
      chriscant
      Participant

        Great thanks for the quick reply. I can send to Becky – shall I ask? Ta Chris

        #46964

        Are you guys seriously planning to sort out the P. macrocarpa group, now? We can put it in the queue for sure. These days, we need a letter confirming permission to collect if we are to sequence it. Our systems are integrating and no specimen goes unturned…

        Becky

        #46965

        Becky:

        It’s on the radar, but even with molecular data it’s still a mess. I’m hoping that as we sequence more collections, some well defined groups will emerge.This collection with a thick thallus is so obviously not P. macrocarpa s. str. that it deserves further investigation.

        Alan

        #46966
        chriscant
        Participant

          We do have permission in an 8 pages document from the MOD!

          Thankfully the specimen was collected within the approved 3 monads.

          I’ll get in touch with Becky (and Alan) by email.

          Thanks Chris

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