Amazing orange disco for ID if poss pls

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    adampembs
    Keymaster

      Growing on the base of what used to be a pond. It was drained about a year ago, and the first plants are establishing, plus these amazing little chaps.

      Discs up to 2mm

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      A few scattered hairs (?) around apothecia

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      Spores which had escaped asci were 17-19 x 9-10µm

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      In cotton blue

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      In 10% ammonia

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      Not forgetting Melzers – no reaction from asci but paraphyses strongly +

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      #34753

      Nice pictures – they show the warted surface of the spores very well.

      Cheilymenia crucipila looks like it might fit the bill.. (FoS, vol1 p100)?

      #34754
      Lancashire Lad
      Moderator

        I think that the spores look more reticulated than finely warted.

        If so, then everything would fit with the initial flat disc stage of Melastiza cornubiensis – Orange Cups.

        See Jordan – Encyclopedia of Fungi of Britain & Europe – page 38.

        I found some back in 2010, (mid June), and eventually got a shot showing both the flat discs and the final cup shaped fruitbodies: –

        Mine were amongst the first colonisers of large quantities of mud from a woodland pond cum Victorian paddling pool that had been dredged and scattered to dry in an adjacent grassy part of the woodland.

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        Regards,

        Mike.

        #34755
        adampembs
        Keymaster

          Ah, that’s interesting, I’ll head back in about a week? I never knew they changed into cups.

          #34756
          Flaxton
          Participant

            Mike

            I think you have two species in your photo. The Melastiza has dark “hairs” the Cheilymenia has pale hairs. The spores of Melastiza has much more defined ridges

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            I think Scutellinia (Cheilymenia) crucipila is a good shout for this find without the use of a microscope.

            Mal

            #34757
            Lancashire Lad
            Moderator

              Flaxton wrote:

              Mike

              I think you have two species in your photo. The Melastiza has dark “hairs” the Cheilymenia has pale hairs. The spores of Melastiza has much more defined ridges . . .


              Hi Mal,

              I can’t argue – as it was almost five years ago and I can’t recollect exactly how defined the ridges were on the spores from my samples.

              This is a case of “come back WAB all is forgiven” as I had posted all the micro shots – spores, “orange filled” paraphyses, etc. etc. on WAB and the consensus of those who made suggestions (I remember that Chris was amongst them) was that I had typical M. cornubiensis.

              I’ve just looked back in the various photo folders on my computer and have come to the conclusion that I must not have kept the microscopy shots as I just can’t find them.

              I don’t recollect there being any discussion of the possibility of two species in my macro-shot at the time – but I can accept that it can’t be ruled out.

              Regards,

              Mike.

              #34758

              Hi adam,

              those paraphyses reminds those I have seen in the case of Kotlabaea deformis. It grows on rich soil, but I have seen it on plant debris, too.

              Marja

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