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    I am looking for a relatively inexpensive microscope for spore examination, are there any anybody would recommend? Mike told me that it needs to be a minimum of 400x but 1000x is needed for enough detail.

    #34674
    Lancashire Lad
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      Hi,

      The million dollar question is: – what would you call “relatively inexpensive” :D

      Ideally you would want to get a trinocular scope with a minimum of four objective turret (x10, x20, x40, x100 oil), decent sub stage condenser, mechanical x-y stage, and kohler illumination. But then – that’s the ideal minimum.

      A monocular scope will do the job, but it can strain the eyes if used for any length of time, and a binocular scope is much more comfortable.

      A trinocular is ideal for when photography via the scope enters the equation – but you can get away with using a camera adaptor on the eyepiece tube of a monocular or binocular.

      Anything less than the four magnifications of objective mentioned above will be a hindrance in certain circumstances – you really need something between x10 and x40.

      Also, x10 eyepieces are all that you really need. – You can get x15 eyepieces, to increase the range of magnifications available, but they won’t increase resolution (i.e they won’t show any more detail than x10’s).

      Most of the Chinese scopes these days are of perfectly adequate quality. And then there’s the used scope market – some real bargains can be had.

      Have a look at Brunel Microscopes website for an idea of specifications and prices of both new and used equipment.

      I have a link to a very extensive microscopy tutorial that will give you a lot of info on the terminology and what’s good and what’s bad.

      I’ll post it as a separate thread, as it will then be visible in case it is of use to others in future.

      Regards,

      Mike.

      #34675

      Would the Wedmore SP14 be OK? http://www.brunelmicroscopes.co.uk/student-microscope.html

      Wedmore Microscope 2.jpg

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      #34676

      Will I still be able to take OK photographs through the eyepiece of the microscope above?

      #34677
      Lancashire Lad
      Keymaster

        In the £150 – £200 price range, I think I’d be leaning more towards the Westbury SP30 LED: –

        http://www.brunelmicroscopes.co.uk/monocular-microscopes.html” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.brunelmicroscopes.co.uk/monocular-microscopes.html

        But don’t rush into anything.

        For £200 you might just be able to pick up a decent used scope with a better specification – maybe a binocular model.

        Yes, you should be able to buy a camera adapter that will allow you to take photographs down the scope’s eye tubes.

        (Both the Wedmore and the Westbury scopes show camera adapters amongst their accessories lists).

        Regards,

        Mike.

        #34678

        The one that I’m looking at now is this one: http://www.apexmicroscopessecure.co.uk/store/Apex-Practitioner.html#SID=9.

        I think I’m also gonna get the Starter’s kit and the Apex Minigrab. That’s all that’s really in my price range and not OUT OF STOCK! :D

        #34679

        I agree with Mike (there’s a tad too much cross-Pennine agreement on this forum methinks 😆 ) don’t rush into anything.

        Used equipment from a reliable source is often the best option – plus if you come to sell it to “move up” as it were you’ll be able to do so for the same money; new equipment devalues much more.

        I’ll keep my eyes open for good value pre-used scope from sources I would trust and post back. Someone got a Leitz ‘scope for a snip recently on Ebay . . . .

        Chris

        #34680
        adampembs
        Keymaster

          jimmymac2 wrote:

          The one that I’m looking at now is this one: http://www.apexmicroscopessecure.co.uk/ … html#SID=9.

          I think I’m also gonna get the Starter’s kit and the Apex Minigrab. That’s all that’s really in my price range and not OUT OF STOCK! :D

          This doesn’t have a x100 oil immersion lens. You will need this to make good measurement of spore sizes and to see spore detail. You will kick yourself later if you don’t have oil immersion.

          There is a Vickers monocular microscope on Ebay starting bid £70. It has oil immersion x100. Although old, it is solid and heavily built and a well respected make. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VICKERS-M15-MICROSCOPE-WORKING-ORDER-/351406480238?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51d1755b6e” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VICKERS-M15-MICROSCOPE-WORKING-ORDER-/351406480238?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51d1755b6e

          There is also an Apex Researcher binocular at £180 “buy it now” – this also has oil immersion and looks decent enough. It has LED lighting, which is nice to have.

          http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apex-Researcher-Microscope-Like-New-Mint-/121663271616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c53b232c0” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apex-Researcher-Microscope-Like-New-Mint-/121663271616?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1c53b232c0

          #34681

          Thanks for your help, although still a bit expensive. What is an oil immersion lens and what will it do?? 8-)

          #34682
          adampembs
          Keymaster

            From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_immersion” class=”bbcode_url”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_immersion

            Quote:

            In light microscopy, oil immersion is a technique used to increase the resolution of a microscope. This is achieved by immersing both the objective lens and the specimen in a transparent oil of high refractive index, thereby increasing the numerical aperture of the objective lens.

            Immersion oils are transparent oils that have specific optical and viscosity characteristics necessary for use in microscopy. Typical oils used have an index of refraction around 1.515.[1] An oil immersion objective is an objective lens specially designed to be used in this way.

            You need the right tools for the job. I’ll say no more, you have been advised, you can ignore it if you wish ;)

            P.S Ask Chris Yeates what he has spent on microscopes… 😮

            #34683

            I agree with Adam – much better to save a little more money and wait to get a proper tool for the job. Bide your time and go for a binocular with a x100 as a minimum.

            You will get many years of good service out of a well-maintained microscope, so it is a sound investment.

            #34684

            Of the two Ebay ‘scopes suggested, the £180 is probably the one I would recommend; the LED lighting would be a plus – an even bigger plus is the mechanical stage which the Vickers ‘scope lacks – at the higher magnifications I think you would find the lack of a mechanical stage a very frustrating business.

            And yes – oil immersion is essential for any sort of serious work.

            Chris

            #34685
            Lancashire Lad
            Keymaster

              The ebay Apex Researcher at £180.00 is the same model, (or near enough the same – possibly with non LED lighting), that can be found on the website of the Apex Practitioner that you are/were looking at: –

              http://www.apexmicroscopessecure.co.uk/store/Apex-Practitioner.html#SID=9” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.apexmicroscopessecure.co.uk/store/Apex-Practitioner.html#SID=9

              Check out the specification for the microscope (Apex Researcher) second from top in the right hand column.

              You will see that buying new, the Researcher is selling for £220.00 (including a starter pack of slides and coverslips.

              From what I can see of the £180.00 ebay Researcher offer, that one has quite a lot of accessories with it. and has a x20 objective instead of a x4 (which I think is probably more useful).

              Being a binocular scope, with mechanical stage, x10, x20, x40 and x100(oil immersion) objectives, and tools/slides etc. it looks to be a reasonable buy.

              I’d certainly rather have the binocular scope over the monocular any day – and if need be, save up to buy the Minigrab camera sometime later. (Although I have to say that I wouldn’t expect that Minigrab camera to produce very good images – there is no pixel count mentioned so I’d imagine it will be 1.3MP resolution at best – and quite possibly less).

              Regards,

              Mike.

              #34686

              Thank you very much everyone for all your help!!! :D

              In conclusion we’re currently thinking of purchasing an Apex Researcher, I think it’s not too expensive but it will suit my needs!

              #34687
              adampembs
              Keymaster

                Did you get your scope yet?

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