So far I’ve examined four different thalli, all +/- cracked / areolate, bluish-grey and with a whitish +/- fimbriate prothallus, C-, K+ yellow, Pd uncertain but Pd/UV pale yellow. (First try at mixing Steiner’s so might have got the proportions wrong)
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Apothecia range in colour from (mainly) mid-brown to slightly mottled or (one thallus) with both mid-brown and dark blackish-brown apothecia. Asci 8-spored, in K the spores were mainly 11-12.5 x 5-6 µm.
One thallus had few apothecia but abundant pycnidia, the conidia mainly curved.
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When I examined sections in water under polarised light all had abundant granules in the epithecium descending between the apothecia but no large crystals in the margins. In ten sections from four thalli only two had some small crystals visible.
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Any thoughts and comments would be much appreciated!
Lecanora intumescens appears closest but doesn’t entirely fit so I began to wonder if, despite the very highly unlikely location, it might possibly perhaps be Lecanora caledonica (link below) – or (more likely) that I’ve missed something obvious
Fascinating! — I’ve recently had the same experience.
My specimen was on a 35-year-old wooden bench near playing fields on a large school site in Hertfordshire. It featured coarse POL+ granules in the epithecium, but not descending into the hymenium. There were large POL+ calcium oxalate crystals in the amphithecium, but like you I found them only in a minority of sections.
I assume that the abundance of these amphithecial crystals reflects the amount of calcium that the lichen is absorbing from air, water and substrate. My understanding is that many lichens sequester excess calcium in the form of extracellular calcium oxalate crystals — some small or even invisible, and some large, as in the Lecanora
So perhaps your lichen and mine weren’t dealing with a large enough load of calcium from the environment to produce many calcium oxalate crystals?
On that assumption, I’ve identified my lichen as Lecanora chlarotera
And similarly, I’d suggest your lichen is probably L. hybocarpa
All that said, after a quick Google search, I wasn’t immediate able to find any literature specifically studying abundance of amphithecial calcium oxalate crystals in Lecanora
Best regards,
Anthony
Any big crystals present in the margin indicates a big crystal species, Lecanora hybocarpaLecanora horiza
The pale yellow Pd reaction is a standard atranorin spot test reaction; Lecanora intumescens
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Lecanora intumescens
It should be in Dorset, so worth looking out for, I am finding it more in the New Forest, either it is recovering from acidifying pollution or I am getting better at spotting the somewhat smaller forms we have down in the south. See
Anthony
Congratulations on the Lecanora chlarotera
I can not help with what is causing more or less crystals, but there are also forms with an abundance of really big crystals causing rough knobbly margins. These were called Lecanora rugosellaLecanora chlaroteraLecanora subrugosaLecanora argentataLecanora argentata
Neil
Many thanks for this. It’s very helpful to know that the diagnostic character is the simple presence of large calcium oxalate crystals in the thalline margin, not anything to do with their abundance.
Very interesting to hear that Lecanora
Most of the papers on calcium in aspen that I could find via Google are hidden behind paywalls. Sadly, I couldn’t even access many of them through the UEA with which I’m affiliated. But this limited preview of a 1999 PhD thesis gives a flavour — see particularly page 6:
The aspen tree in that study is the North American species Populus tremuloidesP. tremulaNordic Pulp & Paper Research JournalP. tremula
Grateful for your kind words about my find of L. chlaroteraL. hybocarpa
Perhaps I shouldn’t have been: I was already surprised to find L. albella
There were quite a few L. pulicaris
Best regards,
Anthony
These are the size/abundance of crystals I usually find in hybocarpa thalli (below), which is why I’d hoped they were something else!
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