Mycena for ID number 1

Please try to include photos to show all parts of the fungus, eg top, stem, and gills.
Note any smells, and associated trees or plants (eg oak, birch). A spore print can be very useful.
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Mycena for ID number 1

Post by jimmymac2 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:58 pm

Found in our front garden, on the lawn. Nearby trees include Common Yew, Crab Apple, Oak, Lawson Cypress, Spotted and Cherry Laurel, Downy Birch. No basal disc.
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Sorry, bad photo.
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Gills. Looks like a 'ghost mushroom'.
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White spore print
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Spores. Not the best photo.
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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by Chris Yeates » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:10 pm

see next post . .
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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by Chris Yeates » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:12 pm

Hi
you really do need to do a little more work before requesting assistance; not meant to be harsh, but it's the only way one learns. A quick check shows that at the moment 8 out of the last 9 enquiries has come from you. A couple of shots of fruitbodies and of the spores is often not good enough. I would slow down and really try and puzzle a collection out - look at Mike's sticky at the top of the Enquiries thread.

For Mycena the sort of info you need is:
* habitat - what exactly is it growing on/in?
* does the stem exude a coloured juice?
* is the gill edge coloured?
* nature of cap surface - smooth or dusted with fine granules
* any smell?
* nature of the cap cuticle (micro-structures)
* basidia 2- or 4-spored
* are the spores amyloid? (you have a good deposit there - that shouldn't be a problem
* spore shape/measurements (that photo is fine for ID purposes, but still green . . . )
* type of cheilocystidia (sterile cells along the gill edge - often very important - this can link in with the third item in this list)

from the above you will gather that a single fruit-body is insufficient for identification purposes; if I find a Mycena without some very obvious distinguishing character and with fewer than half a dozen fruiting bodies in the words of the song I walk on by.

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Chris

PS I have an idea what this is but in this instance I'm not going to say anything, except that paying attention to items 1, 5 and 10 in that list above should confirm it - or not . . . .
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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by roy betts » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:02 pm

Not sure I agree with Chris; if it's got half a dozen decent gills left I'm willing to have a go! (but not in the middle of the main season perhaps).
What books do you have Jimmy? There are a lot of Mycenas, and Field Guides only have a small proportion so you need to have a good Key (like Funga Nordica) as well a books with illustrations. Looks like Chris doesn't want me to say, but I think it's probably M. f******.

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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by jimmymac2 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:07 pm

Thanks Chris
I can answer a few of those key features:
*as said above it was growing on the front lawn, near Common Yew, Crab Apple, Oak, Lawson Cypress, Spotted and Cherry Laurel and Downy Birch.
*No coloured juice.
*The gill edge is paler than the rest of the gill, which gets darker grey the closer you go to the centre of the cap.
*The cap surface is dusted with fine granules.
*I couldn't detect a smell apart from a mushroomy one.

I'm not sure I can do much extra work, I have no fungus literature and have barely found any other good websites for fungi in the UK apart from this one or boletales.com :shock:

Roy,
I saw your comment just as I was adding this one, under "At least one new post has been made to this topic. You may wish to review your post in light of this."
As said above I have no fungus books, so self-identification for me is very tricky.

Thanks both,
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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by Chris Yeates » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:20 pm

For Mycena there is: http://home.online.no/~araronse/Mycenakey/ Look at the "What is a Mycena?" page and then work through the diagnostic characters page; if unsure of terms look at the glossary Mike has kindly put together. Don't try to run at this stage, it can only lead to disappointment and discouragement and that is not what this site is about.
At this stage don't worry too much about naming everything to species; familiarise yourself with the basic structures - that Roy Watling book I mentioned on another thread is an excellent start (£8 incl. p&p as I recall).
That way you won't post pink-spored agarics with nodulose spores as Mycenas ;)
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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by roy betts » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:57 am

I fully agree with Chris this time!
On this forum under "General Fungi Discussion" and "Literature & Resources for General Fungi" there are 3 posts with links to websites with keys to various Genera. If you have no books at all, start with a couple of good Field Guides. You won't be able to name everything you find (but neither do I ;) ), but you will be able to familiarize yourself with the Genera: first thing with gill fungi is to find out the spore colour.
It took me 10 years to make head or tail of grey-brown Mycena species. I used to religiously make spore prints and measure sizes... then I discovered cystidia! The book I was using (Moser's 'Agarics & Boleti') was rather confusing especially given the name changes to species that have occurred over the decades. I finally got the Genus sorted by going to a BMS Mycena Workshop.
With regards to your species, I would guess at Mycena filopes although I would want to confirm it microscopically (metata is very similar).

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Re: Mycena for ID number 1

Post by adampembs » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:13 am

Here is a free pdf "making a start on Mycenas" - from the bms website
http://www.britmycolsoc.org.uk/download_file/view/101/
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