Cladonia in woodland

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Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:53 pm

Hi,
We made a start on Cladonia in a newly cleared conifer plantation, which has a lot of old stumps and logs on which these were all growing. This is going to be a steep learning curve for us so any help would be much appreciated. It's over 30 years since I did lichens. I looked at 4 collections:
1) Cladonia fimbriata. Like a tall wine glass, narrow stem, with fine soredia. KOH negative.
2) Cladonia coniocroea. Bent podetia, dominated by the basal squamules. KOH negative.
3) Possible Cladonia squamosa. KOH negative.
4) Unidentified with brown apothecia, KOH positive.

First is Cladonia fimbriata:
Steve
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Cladionia fimbriata. Field photo
2 Field.JPG
Cladionia fimbriata. Field photo
3 Stereo.jpg
Cladionia fimbriata. Stereo microscopy
4 Stereo.jpg
Cladionia fimbriata. Stereo microscopy

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:55 pm

Second is Cladonia coniocroea:
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Cladonia coniocroea. Field photo
2 Field.JPG
Cladonia coniocroea. Field photo
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Cladonia coniocroea. Stereo microscopy
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Cladonia coniocroea. Stereo microscopy

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:58 pm

Third is what I think may be Cladonia squamosa:
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Cladonia squamosa? Field photo
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Cladonia squamosa? Stereo microscopy

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:01 pm

Finally, one which unlike the first three, was KOH positive. Not sure what this is.
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Unknown Cladonia: Studio photo
2 Stereo.jpg
Unknown Cladonia: Stereo microscopy
3 KOH.JPG
KOH on (L to R) C fimbriata, C coniocroea, C. squamosa?, Unknown Cladonia (yellow reaction)

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:17 pm

Cladonia coniocraea - not coniocroea :o

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by diggleken » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:18 am

Hi Steve,
first two look good to me.
3rd - it bothers me there are no squamules apparent as C squamosal has lots of them and they usually persist - I suspect this is C polydactyla.
I'll have a think about the last U/K one.........
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Ken

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by diggleken » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:39 am

Unknown - might this be C macilenta or unfingered polydactyla (quite variable) with that K+ reaction, which are poorly developed and with apothecia not turned red yet properly? I have known this showing small brownish or discoloured apothecia before, but develop red shortly - misleading, but that's a while back and my memory may be wrong.................anyway, just a thought as all else seem to fit for those two species I think. :geek:
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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:24 pm

Hi,
Great feedback! Thanks a million. These Cladonias are tricky but there are only so many of 'em.
I've trawled through Dobson a few times and I suspect the third one might be Cladonia chlorophaea, as it's got a lovely powdery sorediate cup inner surface, and apparently can have proliferating growths from the edge of the cup rims (I didn't know that, but I haven't done lichens for 30 years). But I'll check out your suggestions of course. I think we can have a lot of fun with these lichens - they are great to work with, and there's plenty to do, just got to find the time now I've retired :lol:
Steve

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by diggleken » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:42 pm

Steve, I could of course be wrong, but the third - not sure about Chlorophaea - its just very fingery with those proliferations - it can have mini cups from the edges as you say, but this looks far too much and wrong from a general jizz - whilst Polydactyla is very much like this.
It'll be obvious to an experienced Lichenologist - maybe you could fire it off to Steve P?
Where's JennyS when you need her (off skydiving again maybe.....) :)
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Ken

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Re: Cladonia in woodland

Post by Steve » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:59 pm

Hi Ken,
I assumed the brown ends were apothecia so ruled out C. polydactyla. But I've done microscopy and they look to be pycnidia or something. There's also a dark Hyphomycete infection. Need to do microscopy on brown bits! All the powder is soredia.
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Brown ends to finger-like projections
2 brown ends 200 KOHb.jpg
Brown ends x200 in KOH
3 brown ends 200 KOHCRb.jpg
Brown ends x200 in KOH and Congo Red
4 brown ends 600 KOHb.jpg
Brown ends x600 in KOH
5 brown ends 600 KOH.jpg
Brown ends x600 in KOH
6 brown ends 600 KOHa.jpg
Hyphomycete infection

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